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18 April 2006 @ 09:14 pm
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Excuse me? We had to wait 40 minutes to get a glimpse of Wilson? One of only two brief glimpses of Wilson? That is so not going to cut it.


Overall, I'd have to say this is the worst ep of the season. Not so much that it's bad as it's Boring. I like seeing Cameron get slapped in the face with reality as much as the next person, but a)it's been done and b)I don't need an entire ep of St. Cameron the Clueless.

The ep also suffers severely from a dearth of Wilson. And there's not nearly enough Cuddy to make up for it.


Cuddy to House: I know what gets you off.

Oh, she so does ;-) She knows exactly what makes House tick...as much as anyone (other than Wilson) does. I especially enjoyed Cuddy's refusal to get all sob-sister with Cameron. Her advice? Don't get whiny, get revenge.

Other than the tendency to doze off, House doesn't seem all that sleep deprived. Which is a shame, 'cause Wilson should be doing a much better job in that department. I'd like to blame House's refusal to sedate for the colonoscopy on his brain being especially irritable from lack of sleep, but I'm afraid that was just House being a bastard.


Cameron: You stole my article.

Oh, grow up already. Could she sound any more like a spoiled brat? What Foreman did wasn't nice, but technically he didn't break any rules. He worked House, he worked the system. It happens all the time. I can't believe Cameron hasn't seen this kind of behavior before at some point in her career. So fine, get pissed. But go do something about it that doesn't involve whining at everyone else because you want them to make it all better for you.


House to Wilson: Our children are our future.

Awwwww. The two daddies are having a disagreement over how to discipline the children ;-)

And didn't you just love Chase trying to stay the hell out of it?


Max: Now she can't leave me.

Yeah, okay--it was fun to once again see someone reject the role Cameron has assigned her, and Cameron being totally flabbergasted that the poor victim was not in fact the victim but as much of a manipulative bitch as Hannah. In fairness, no one else suspected it either, but then, no one else really cared either.


Foreman to Cameron: We're not friends.

He's right. Just because you work with someone, even enjoy working with someone, does not make you friends. Friendly, maybe, but not friends. Personally I've never seen anything that made me think Foreman and Cameron were anything more than colleagues. It's really (once again) all about Cameron projecting her own emotional needs onto others.

Half a point to Cameron, tho--she's right about House's motivation. He's saving the patient because he needs to solve the puzzle. No surprise there--that's what usually motivates him. And one point for the snark about House's knowledge of lesbian love.

I hope we get more Wilson next week. Or House gets more Wilson. Either way it's good.

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Nialla: TMInialla42 on April 19th, 2006 03:22 am (UTC)
The ep also suffers severely from a dearth of Wilson. And there's not nearly enough Cuddy to make up for it.

Yeah, if they cut back on Wilson time, we need Cuddy to make up for it. But I'd rather have both.

I especially enjoyed Cuddy's refusal to get all sob-sister with Cameron. Her advice? Don't get whiny, get revenge.

I think the summary of it might well be, "Grow a spine."

And didn't you just love Chase trying to stay the hell out of it?

Chase: Spineless weasel, awaaaaaaaaay! ;)

He's right. Just because you work with someone, even enjoy working with someone, does not make you friends. Friendly, maybe, but not friends. Personally I've never seen anything that made me think Foreman and Cameron were anything more than colleagues. It's really (once again) all about Cameron projecting her own emotional needs onto others.

I've had a lot of co-workers over the years than I was very friendly with. Went to movies and/or out to eat with them. I even helped one get her college degree. But once the job is gone, the connection is gone too. A few of them I've run into again via later jobs, and we're still friendly, but they're just not people I'd stay friends with without work providing a place for me to be around them.

And one point for the snark about House's knowledge of lesbian love.

And this is at least the second episode with a lesbian couple, and while I'm pleased they didn't make a big deal out of the sexuality issue, I wonder when we're going to get a male couple. While the writers seem friendly with slashy concepts, they're still dealing with an industry that seems to accept lesbians because straight men find it hot, but don't want to show a male couple because straight men find it icky.

I hope we get more Wilson next week. Or House gets more Wilson. Either way it's good.

I've heard Wilson's living arrangments will be changing before the end of the season. :( But they don't have to be living together for the slash to continue dripping off my screen.
Eos: wilson amusedducks_in_a_row on April 20th, 2006 03:14 am (UTC)
But I'd rather have both.

I'd kill for an ep heavy on both Cuddy and Wilson. I might even have to go the OT3 route after that.

I wonder when we're going to get a male couple.

Good question. The optimist in me says the reason we haven't had a gay guest couple is because we already have H/W. The realist in me says yeah, you're probably right. The uptight suits can't handle two *men* together.

But they don't have to be living together for the slash to continue dripping off my screen.

Oh, please ;-P We slashed them while Wilson was living with his wife and House was sniffing after Stacy. A little thing like separate addresses isn't going to stop us :-D
Nialla: House/Wilsonnialla42 on April 20th, 2006 01:54 pm (UTC)
I'd kill for an ep heavy on both Cuddy and Wilson. I might even have to go the OT3 route after that.

Oh, definitely. It could be interesting if something took House of of the mix for an episode -- illness, off for a conference, etc. -- and Cuddy and Wilson were left in charge of the ducklings. Even better if it was House was sick and Cuddy and/or Wilson went to visit him. Why yes, I'm a h/c ho, why do you ask?

The realist in me says yeah, you're probably right. The uptight suits can't handle two *men* together.

It's so ironic that the homophobic wingnuts go on about Hollywood having a "gay agenda" but we've yet to really see gay males in a tv role that wasn't a comedy or making their sexuality the defining characteristic of the character.

Oh, please ;-P We slashed them while Wilson was living with his wife and House was sniffing after Stacy. A little thing like separate addresses isn't going to stop us :-D

In fact, I bet we'll end up with fic explaining why they had to retreat to separate addresses. Too bad the writers don't have DADT to fall back on in this universe.
Eos: wilson amusedducks_in_a_row on April 21st, 2006 02:36 am (UTC)
It could be interesting if something took House of of the mix for an episode -- illness, off for a conference, etc. -- and Cuddy and Wilson were left in charge of the ducklings

I would've liked "Failure to Communicate" to be like that. House away but depending on Wilson and Cuddy to keep the kids in line. Which it was to an extent--just not enough Cuddy & Wilson, too much Stacy.

H/C would be excellent too. I'm a total ho for that...to the point I don't care which one's getting the hurt just as long as someone's doing the comfort.

I bet we'll end up with fic explaining why they had to retreat to separate addresses

Well, House's place is obviously too small, even if Wilson doesn't have to sleep on the couch anymore. The real reason--I think--is that Wilson really is very conscious of appearances and I don't think he's ready for the world to know he's doing House ;-)
alphekka_alpha: hugsalphekka_alpha on April 19th, 2006 10:26 am (UTC)
We're still way behind you, but I enjoy reading your accounts anyway. Thanks. 8-)

You nearly got me going at one point:

The ep also suffers severely from a dearth of Wilson.

Not having 20/20 vision, I misread this as 'death of Wilson.' 8-O

After that, 'dearth' doesn't sound quite so bad. {g} Not that I'm happy about it though.
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Eos: wilson amusedducks_in_a_row on April 20th, 2006 02:58 am (UTC)
I misread this as 'death of Wilson.'

Bite your tongue, woman!

We've gotten an awful lot of H/W-ness lately so I suppose I shouldn't complain...but I'm going to anyway ;-)
alphekka_alpha: hugsalphekka_alpha on April 21st, 2006 11:16 am (UTC)
I suppose I shouldn't complain...but I'm going to anyway ;-)

Hm, I think that's a given. 8-)

We had 'Sex Kills' yesterday. Just gotta love Wilson showing up on House's doorstep looking so waif-like. ::hugs Wilson:: As we're sure House did in the next frame that we didn't get to see... {g}

Love your new icon BTW. 8-)
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Starlightseraphim_12 on April 19th, 2006 06:27 pm (UTC)
I completely agree, what a snoozer! I just started seeing house (watched the entire 1st season during Sunday, when I should have really been studying for exams *wince*) and Cameron is seriously pissing me off.

Especially that ep where House's parents came to visit and she was just soo curious about them. I know it was usppose to be funny . . . . but no, just stalkerish.

I like Foreman, and Chase sometimes! But Camerion urgh, she should be more like Cuddy. Cuddy is awesome, I really like her.

Oh and HI! I just friended you after I read your awesome House fics!
Eos: wilson amusedducks_in_a_row on April 20th, 2006 03:06 am (UTC)
Especially that ep where House's parents came to visit and she was just soo curious about them. I know it was usppose to be funny . . . . but no, just stalkerish

It was uncomfortably stalkerish, altho I suppose it's not any worse than Cameron blackmailing House into a date in S1. Cameron is very emotionally immature, which wouldn't bother me so much if she ever learned something from her experiences. Instead, she keeps repeating the same mistakes...like falling in love with dying people :-0

Oh and HI! I just friended you after I read your awesome House fics

Hi back :-) Always glad to have more friends, especially ones who give me flattering FB ;-)
Nialla: House/Wilsonnialla42 on April 20th, 2006 12:20 am (UTC)
Had another thought I thought I'd bounce off you...

Cameron's is more and more defined by her relationships to the men around her, isn't she? Crush on her boss, slept with one coworker, now fighting with the other. But I wonder if perhaps the reason Foreman felt no guilt sniping her work is not just that they're not friends, but simply because he doesn't respect her?
Eos: wilson amusedducks_in_a_row on April 20th, 2006 03:27 am (UTC)
Cameron's is more and more defined by her relationships to the men around her, isn't she?

Very much so, I'm afraid. Every now and then she makes a token effort to break out of her self-assigned role, but she always wimps out.

perhaps the reason Foreman felt no guilt sniping her work is not just that they're not friends, but simply because he doesn't respect her?

I don't think he does, at least on a personal level. He seems to be okay with her skills as a doctor, and may even respect some of her attempts to take a moral/ethical stand, but he's seen her 'pathology' too often to take her entirely seriously. He knows she often wimps out when confronted, and he knows she makes decisions based on her own emotional needs.

It'll be interesting to see how (or if) Cameron will redefine herself now that two of 'her men' have, in her eyes, screwed her over.
Nialla: Crazy Housenialla42 on April 20th, 2006 01:59 pm (UTC)
Have you read the bit on Cameron over at The Hathor Legacy?

http://thehathorlegacy.info/cameron-on-house/
Eos: wilson amusedducks_in_a_row on April 21st, 2006 02:53 am (UTC)
Thanks for the link, hadn't seen it.

I agree for the most part, except for the fact that the analysis approaches this as a independent incident. It's really just one incident in a whole pattern of behavior. Cameron has a history of operating on the assumption that the world is a fairy tale. She also has a history of blaming everyone else when that fairytale fractures.

I think that's a key in why I'm enjoying Chase and not Cameron. Chase has developed some self awareness. His motto is CYA--he knows it and he acknowledges it and I, too, can embrace his inner spineless weasel ;-)

Cameron, OTOH, is self-blind. She never looks at herself when something goes wrong. Kalvin (Hunting) was a perfect example. Cameron stole the drugs, took the drugs, jumped Chase. Nobody forced her to do those things. But who did she blame? Kalvin, and apparently Chase.

The bottom line is, if she can't recognize her own failings, she can't learn. Yeah, she might learn to snark back at House or not trust Foreman, but it's superficial because she doesn't understand the why of it all.

Thank god for Cuddy!
betacandybetacandy on April 21st, 2006 03:00 pm (UTC)
This whole thread's been interesting to me. I've only seen three episodes of House before, and I thought I stated that somewhere in the article, but I didn't. Gonna go edit that now.

I had been wondering whether she would learn, or just keep repeating. Within the one episode, what I saw was good. But in the context of the whole series... I'll just have to keep watching, and I suspect see what you guys are seeing (given that I tend to agree with several of you on other shows).
Eos: wilson amusedducks_in_a_row on April 22nd, 2006 02:50 pm (UTC)
If you've only seen a few eps--that would explain why you're more optimistic about Cameron than some of us.

Cameron's had opportunities to learn from people like Cuddy and Wilson (people who aren't pushovers but also aren't cynical bastards like House) but she always seems to reject the benefits of their knowledge and experience.

I hope you're right, tho, because I'd like to see her grow and develop.
Nialla: Stargatenialla42 on April 22nd, 2006 04:09 pm (UTC)
You really should rent the first season (or watch them on USA Friday nights, it's on up against the repeat showing of SG-1, but that's not exactly a conflict anymore for me).

I like the second season a lot more, mainly because I didn't like the Vogler storyline in the first season much (rich man basically buys the hospital and make House & Co. jump through hoops), even though I normally like the actor who played Vogler. The second season was kind of iffy at the start for me, but now that Stacy's gone (House's ex), it's a lot better.

I like the show focusing on the core characters working together, and not a huge amount of attention paid to their personal lives. It can be a part of the character, but not the defining aspect. Um... hey, wait, am I talking about SG-1 again?
Nialla: Housenialla42 on April 22nd, 2006 03:54 pm (UTC)
Cameron should learn from the cases she's dealt with and apply it to new ones, and she's not. It's almost like there's a magic reset button to return her to "shiny happy people" mode.

I'm thinking maybe the writers are using her as a foil for the other characters, trying to make her the "moral voice" and "idealistic doctor" and unfortunately she's coming across more as "shrill twit."
Eos: wilson amusedducks_in_a_row on April 22nd, 2006 08:42 pm (UTC)
unfortunately she's coming across more as "shrill twit."

Among other things ;-)

Thing is--it isn't necessary to make her such a sanctimonious idiot in order to give her a 'moral voice.' Wilson and Cuddy often act in the capacity of ethical guardians (and not just for House) yet neither one of them comes off as blindly self-righteous.

Honestly, the one thing that's saved Cameron for me is the fact that while she's blind to her failings, none of the other characters is. Unlike Sam on Stargate, none of these characters thinks Cameron is a "National Treasure."
alphekka_alpha: Freedomalphekka_alpha on April 21st, 2006 12:14 pm (UTC)
One of my beefs about a lot of shows is the casting. Too many women seem to have been cast because they're young and pretty, which is fine if a role calls for someone who is young and pretty with nothing much more.

But. When they're cast in roles of some authority, they're just not credible. They don't come across as dedicated enough, experienced enough or as mentally and emotionally tough enough to have gained the positions they fill.

For instance, there's a blonde girl in 'C.S.I. Miami' who looks way too young and flighty for the job she does. Maybe she's matured into the show since, but she was a contributary factor in my watching the show very rarely, unlike the original 'C.S.I.'

On the other hand, there's Temperance Brennan in 'Bones.' She young and pretty too, but has a plausible grittiness of spirit that will not be pushed around.

Cameron is borderline; she could possibly develop a spine yet (...and we're waiting...) but mostly she seems too fluffy and indecisive.

As you say, thank God for Cuddy! 8-)
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Eos: wilson amusedducks_in_a_row on April 22nd, 2006 03:02 pm (UTC)
Too many women seem to have been cast because they're young and pretty

In fairness, I think that applies to the men, too, altho to a lesser degree. Jesse Spencer and Jennifer Morrison are both much younger than the characters they play and it does affect the way we perceive the characters. Cameron is supposed to be a 30ish(?) professional woman, but JM's youth along with her wardrobe and the way she's written make her appear not young, but immature.

I wish TPTB (for any show) would stop worrying about how 'pretty' the actors are and concentrate on finding the best actor for the role. Hell, look at HL--not a man who is conventionally handsome (or young!) but he totally owns the role of House. And the women are loving him ;-)
Nialla: House/Wilsonnialla42 on April 22nd, 2006 03:45 pm (UTC)
Hell, look at HL--not a man who is conventionally handsome (or young!) but he totally owns the role of House. And the women are loving him ;-)

I think HL is one of those "overnight successes" who's been working for 30 years. While quite a bit of the "House" audience is aware of Hugh's earlier work, I'm betting there's still a sizable portion that's never seen him before, or at least he never "registered" for them.

I have a weird quirk, because most of the actors I like are practically unknown to the general audience. Not only are most of them genre actors, but there's also the "not conventionally handsome" thing.

But it does seem like actresses are hired for their femaleness/attractiveness first, and anything else is gravy, while male actors are hired because they fit the role.
Eos: wilson amusedducks_in_a_row on April 22nd, 2006 08:51 pm (UTC)
While quite a bit of the "House" audience is aware of Hugh's earlier work, I'm betting there's still a sizable portion that's never seen him before, or at least he never "registered" for them

And he's never had the opportunity to play a real 'leading man' role...whether that's because he didn't think he could do it or because casting directors, etc didn't think he could do it. Most of his previous roles (the ones I'm aware of) were bumbling boob/sidekick roles--which he was quite good at. But House is the first character he's played that allows everyone to see how much more he's capable of.

But it does seem like actresses are hired for their femaleness/attractiveness first, and anything else is gravy, while male actors are hired because they fit the role

Which I suppose goes back to that hoary idea of programming to attract the young male demographic. I despair of TPTB ever catching a clue.
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